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[Music] my [Applause] [Music] good after internet how are you doing out there in internet land today i’m joined with morley robbins morley how you doing bud i’m doing great doing great it’s been a while since added and you released your new book cure your fatigue and so we’re going to talk about that book today howdy out there in internet land i see we’ve got a few visitors already feel free to write a few comments to say hi to morley say hi to myself i want to talk and start before we get into the book uh with our relationship so do you remember when our relationship began oh absolutely it was a i was a very i was a man on a mission back in 2010 to find a magnesium product that didn’t cause people to get diarrhea and it just seemed like every everything was was problematic and i don’t i really don’t remember exactly how i connected with jigsaw but you were on the boards that day that fateful day it should have been a five-minute conversation it turned into an hour-long conversation and we talked about a pepsi challenge and you were very happy to to take on other other brands of magnesium and it became the basis of of a relationship and a friendship that’s lasted since then it’s been over 10 years now and we’ve had our ups and downs which is you know the nature of good relationships and in fact our relationship started over a book a different book that’s right and we wanted we went a different route and that’s fine but um that i don’t i hope people understand that i take jigsaw every damn day and have since 2010. so yeah i wouldn’t i wouldn’t leave home without it me too i mean magsrt so you know my dad and i started jigsaw health in 2005 and it was uh you know one day you know we’re we still are a i refer to us as a smallish family business um we’re definitely bigger than when we were when you first called i think we had about six employees then and now we have 20 employees but i was helping out on the phones that day and it really is as i think back uh on my life now at 44 years one of the more interesting phone calls that i’ve ever had but you know morally you really impacted me and we had really for seven years a conversation once or twice a week every week and i think i saw in you someone who was a voracious reader and loved to nerd out on the science and you saw in me someone willing to listen and sort of shape part of the product line and to help you bring that what you were finding to life well yeah but it wasn’t just that it was a you were a catalyst to get things done you made sure that stuff was going to happen and i mean i can do that but it’s like what i what i think is most entertaining is that when i was a much younger man in college i was not a nerd i was not a research group i was the antithesis because i didn’t know why i was there but now 40 years later i know exactly why i’m here and i feel very blessed to have this um passion for finding information that seems it’s readily available but but it seems to elude people both lay people and then the professionals that’s so basic to our physiology and our well-being you i think are a connector of dots it’s a skill that humans have you seem to have it in spades and i think the dots that you connected are obviously crucial but i think as i think back to those early conversations um you know we nicknamed you magnesium man right right and you’re like i can’t shake it you can’t shake it that’s right well you know better to be magnesium man than a lot of other things exactly right but i but i remember as you began to do htmas and private consults for other people you said i’m starting to feel like a one-trick pony and that pony doesn’t always work all the time i thought the answer was we’ll just take more magnesium because you know great books like dr mildred selig’s book uh carolyn dean’s great book these things that talk about magnesium but you were the one you were the researcher that made the leap and found the bridge to copper and iron remind me and remind the audience here how that how that began to happen what was that moment for you i i it was a really um it was fascinating it was like being hit by a ton of bricks i began to have questions about whether magnesium was the sole solution and began to realize that copper was an important mineral didn’t really understand it because it it seemed to be both available and unavailable or bound and unbound and there was a mysteriousness to it that was kind of um enticing but i knew that it had a relationship with iron and what i had really focused myself on in those early years was being a student of stress because we knew that what happened when we were under stress we were going to lose magnesium right that’s what got to the phrase the magnesium burn rate because people were under more stress but i didn’t understand it at a physiological level why is magnesium leaving the body and it was an article and they’re about four or five articles that i would give my left arm for if i could have them right here that and one of those articles is it was an italian researcher and i’ve gone back to find that article maybe 10 times and still can’t find it but anyway i’ve got a photographic memory and you are right i’m a connector of dots i’ve always had that gift for better or for worse and and the article said the greatest stress to humans on this planet is iron stress i went oh my gosh that’s it and suddenly i was able to connect the dots that if copper is not bioavailable iron cannot be functional and if iron is not functional it is dysfunctional and if iron is dysfunctional it causes enzymes to release magnesium and they’re called kinase enzymes they’re all they’re part of our physiology of the stress response syndrome and it was like it was a light bulb moment i i i’m sure at some point i would have called you to talk about that article oh yeah if you if you were the consummate executive that we know you are you would have taken note of that article unfortunately i’m not a very good executive i’m a good sounding board i’m a good uh i think idea guy i’m a good summarizer i think i i think i was bouncing off the walls when i found that because then suddenly it all made sense to me and that that that discovery probably goes back to about 2016 2015 2016 was when it all kind of came together and then it’s just been a process of of connecting more dots around that mechanism and if you want to talk neurodegeneration or you want to talk heart disease you want to talk covet or you want to talk cancer or you want to talk anemia or whatever the topic is i can get you back to that mechanism and explain what the pathways are that are involved in that so you’re a one-trick pony but now the pony has like a full uh set i don’t know maybe let’s get away from that analogy well here’s something there’s an analogy that i do use we’ve all been in a post office and we’ve all seen post office boxes right and we know that the combination on every post office box is different we’ve got to have the combination for this box and this box and this box and this box well when i was in college i worked at the student union at one point i was in charge of the student union there’s a scary thought you know in my senior year i ran the student union that’s like whoa what kind of school was that but but in the early years we worked in the mail room which was in the student union well if you’re on the outside of the mailbox you have to know the combination but if you’re around the work side you have access to all the mailboxes and that’s what copper iron just regulation does it gives you access to all the mailboxes you don’t need the combination and that’s where a lot of practitioners get hung up they think they need to know the combination to left arm cancer or you know right elbow lymphoma or whatever it’s like no you don’t you just need to know what the what the approach is to deal from the work side not from the combination side so how is it going reaching so for those that don’t know morally has a website rcp123.org easiest way to type it in or the rootcauseprotocol.com and one of the things that they offer are classes for practitioners slash root cause protocol certification and morally for years you kind of went back and forth between you gotta you know the practitioners aren’t gonna get it they’re too steeped in what they uh you know learned in medical school whereas you have holistic healers that you know are you know not traditionally trained not you know trained how is it going in the rcp certification courses are you still getting a balance it is a balance and and it’s getting bigger and bigger um the the class size and uh like 2013 at the were just now open enrollment for group 15. group five so group 15. so group 13 had 60 new students in 6-0 6-0 wow 14 group 14 had 99 students and so we’re we’re bracing ourselves from like 150 to 200 in group 15. now the doors just opened up at midnight midnight today and we’ve already got three people who signed up signed up today that’s great well um you know let’s go back to the sort of the history for the first five years when morley and i were chatting felt like he would because he would love to say you’re never gonna you’re never gonna believe what i read today uh for those that don’t know morley goes wakes up real early goes down to his local starbucks with a stack of research you know three inches deep uh believe me his printer is uh how many printers have you been through in the last ten years six six six yeah because i’m like more like can you just read this electronically he goes nope i gotta i gotta use paper and pen yeah i bet you still have your green pen and your red pen on you don’t you look at that folks exactly well you know your creature have it i love it so morally forever would say i finally figured it out yeah there we go there’s the note card and i kept telling him i was like well you keep changing this was before there was anything called the root cause protocol by the way i was like well how do you keep finding new stuff that sort of changes the dynamic you’re never going to be because i was trying to help him like i’ll help i’ll try and help you you know create a business um you know so i was almost like a business advisor um but the the business kept changing because he kept researching and i probably said morally one of these days you’re gonna have to stop researching which you know that’s like you did say that you did i did you said you’ve got to stop you got to stop but here here’s the interesting thing to his credit he didn’t stop and he hasn’t stopped but in 2016 i searched my inbox today and that’s the first mention that i have of the word ceruloplasmid and i have i have the first mention i have is me ordering a lab test uh because you were probably like patrick get your ceruloplasmin tested let’s let’s check this out this is this amazing thing it’s very difficult to say but it’s an extremely important copper protein that basically runs the show um and and you’ve through the years created some just great metaphors i think one of my favorites which i i found in the book and i’m glad you’re still using it that iron unchaperoned iron is like a four-year-old in the hand with a hammer running around inside your body and i remember the first time that you said that i was like you gotta keep that one and that was probably five six years ago so my point is in the last five years since 2016 that really kind of was the birth of what you now call the root cause protocol and you’ve just consistently stabilized it and stabilized it and stabilized it um you know you and i we don’t have our weekly chats anymore but as i read through the book i was excited to see a lot of familiarity of things the root cause protocol first formerly was introduced sort of 2017-2018 i was like going back to my business advisory routes now you have something that is stable you know you’re not shifting the ground for all the rcp certified coaches you’re not shifting you’re not changing the scene for all the people that are trying to follow the root cause protocol you really have nailed it and i guess the whole point would be that’s a really good sign because morally if he found something new would not hesitate for one second to blow up the rcp and change it because you simply are a man in search of the truth well yeah and i appreciate your saying that the the goal has been to it really it grew out of a conversation with dr liz uh who’s a she’s a 40-year veteran of being a chiropractor and she said you know there’s got to be a simpler way to solve these problems and just the the naturalist and her was was drawn to that and it and so you have this tension it’s not just magnesium but it needs to be simple and that’s what were sort of the the two stress points for coming up with the rcp and we could easily have identified 75 different supplements that that would have been no problem it was getting it down to maybe a dozen that that would be predictable and would deliver the results and again the the whole objective is you know the rcp it may not be the perfect solution but it’s a hell of a good start yeah and it really get it gets the metabolism stabilized and it gives people’s body a chance to gain its own momentum the the phrase that i’m using more recently again post covid is ignore the enemies ignite the energy yeah oh that’s good ignore the enemies ignite the energy and that that fits into something that you have been saying for a long time about there’s bugs and parasites and all sorts of stuff that were constantly being attacked by whether it’s covet or anything else the point is our immune system has always been under assault and when we feed it the right fuel which basically comes into our balance of magnesium iron copper and the function of ceruloplasmin and ferroferal oxidase almost almost forgot how to say it right the fair oxidase function fox that’s how we beat anything exactly and and what people don’t maybe they don’t realize and where i learned this is from jerry tennant very gifted physician who has a book called healing is voltage and the whole premise of this program is it’s about a bell-shaped curve of energy production based on ph and when our body is at optimal ph of seven that’s the peak of energy production but when it drops off either way either gets more acidic or it gets more alkaline energy production drops off and that’s when the pathogens wake up yeah doesn’t matter whether it’s parasites or bacteria or whatever that that it’s the energy loss that leads to their waking up well why don’t we just focus on making energy and keep them asleep yep one of the things you said in your book um uh looking into the distant past to understand the present everybody wants to know what’s new truth be told i’ve learned from a day spent with a brilliant marketing consultant that it’s far more important to understand what’s enduring do you remember that consulting yeah i was going to say that that must be michael fishman the great michael fishman right okay good i thought that was i was a little hesitant to name him by name because i didn’t want to bring undue exposure to him but it’s like he hardly needs promotion right [Laughter] he’s a he’s a great great man really good thinker and that i remember how that yeah that day changed you and yeah i’m i’m glad that it that made the book because i remember that day it seemed like it was a thing so what are some of the i don’t know kind of a weird question to ask but i think a good one to ask is like what what are the sk like dr ben he said look there’s a difference between in his intro so dr ben edwards writes an introduction and dr ben has been a great ally to you he has a great practice in lubbock texas and really like recognized he had a patient uh i believe her name was valerie that was struggling and having challenges and she said well i found this guy on the internet which is like probably every doctor’s worst nightmare the guy that valerie found on the internet was you she began implementing some of the steps and some of the stuffs of the root cause protocol it might not have been have even been called the root cause protocol quite yet but there were certain steps and things to do and dr ben very much to his credit was like what are these steps who is this guy what’s happening instead of just like okay well good i’m glad you’re out of my hair like dr ben is truly like a learner and one of the things that he addresses in his introduction is he says i want you to be skeptical in reading this skepticism to me means that you’re really trying to beat up the idea to see if it actually holds water if it holds merit but don’t just be i think cynical was the word that he is like oh it can’t just be that simple it can’t be mineral balance or mineral imbalance that’s causing all these problems but what are there any sort of like new skeptics or new cynics that have tried to now that you’ve published this book tried to tear it down and tried to say that’s why i said it feels kind of like an unfair question but i know you also enjoy a pepsi challenge so what pepsi challenges if any have been presented by people that are basically saying okay this book is crap and i’m going to explain why you know if though i have not experienced that yet and i know it’s going to happen i know there’s there’s even though i’ve had um probably 10 or more years of of exposure via facebook and podcasts and things like that oh yeah and i have a fairly healthy following but i don’t have a uniform following it’s not not every person that’s been exposed to it says oh yeah molly’s a brilliant guy there are people who challenge it but the formal i think the formal process is going to unfold in the coming months because i think there’s a it’s one thing to be a a social media um leader if you will and it’s going to be to be a published author and now it’s like i’m really surprised that the reaction people have it’s like of your favorite expressions that you coined or was based on a book by i’m gonna blank on his name but it was it takes about 10 years to become an overnight success and that’s what it feels like is that i’ve i’ve put in my fair share of research time uh daily seven days a week for over a decade but it feels like it’s i’m just now starting it’s like it’s like the difference between the regular season and football and then the postseason and it feels like i’m going i’m going into the postseason and i think it’ll be fun to see what people’s uh criticism is see where the where they they think the weakness is because i’m looking forward to having the chance to defend or to refute or to embellish or whatever the right phrase is but i feel pretty good about being able to do that but i’m looking forward to what others might say and i’ve had the chance in my classes again hundreds and hundreds of students many of whom are practitioners and they they don’t hesitate to kick the tires and challenge and ask really penetrating questions and so far i’m still you know i’ve got a few scars but for the most part i don’t have as much hair as i used to have but well that happens right this isn’t the rcp for hair sorry exactly it’s i’ve been thinking too much patrick that’s the point but but no i think i think it’s going to be fascinating to see what unfolds and like even as as recently as this morning i was reading a fascinating article about how vasodilation really happens in our body and it nitric oxide is a part of it but there’s something called prostacyclin that nobody talks about say that again process cycling prostate prostacyclin cyclin okay okay a very very powerful hormone now they’ll put on your thinking cap okay what mineral do you think runs prostacyclin synthase it must be magnesium yeah right copper that is why nobody heard all right well i i had a one in two chance yeah i know the thing is it’s the the world needs to understand that there is double redundancy in the body and what do you mean actually well it’s just that that the body the body is elegantly designed right we can agree on that and at the end of the day the most important thing we need to do is we’ve got to activate a poison called oxygen we take this oxygen for granted it’s 20 of our air and we you know we know we can’t live without it well it turns out we can’t live with it because that’s what causes all the aging it’s the oxygen that didn’t get burned properly and so it’s important to know that there’s only one there’s only one metal that regulates both oxygen and iron there’s only one only one copper and and if you don’t do that right you’re going to lose a ton of magnesium and then you’re in a state of conflict because you’re like is that a problem to lose a lot of magnesium you have to restore it right why do you say why do you say that oxygen is a poison because if it doesn’t if it doesn’t become water inside of mitochondria it’s going to become either superoxide it’s not super it’s hyperoxide or it’s going to become hydrogen peroxide or it’s going to become a hydroxyl radical or worse yet it’s going to mix with nitric oxide and become oh no and that so the two most toxic chemicals in our body are the hydroxyl radical and oh no and that’s the basis of the free radical theory of aging that was developed by denim harmon in 1956 and then he updated it 50 years later on his 90th birthday he updates that free radical theory of aging and it’s just it’s the most accepted explanation for why we age on this planet it’s exposure to oxygen that isn’t being handled properly and it’s just that’s the whole basis of the root cause protocol double-edged sword interesting so then that’s that’s the beauty of it that’s what makes it so exciting right and if i recall correctly oxygen becomes h2o in is that complex four or is that a difference i got it that’s been a long time since we talked about that why is the cover purple i’m sure people don’t know why why’d you pick purple well copper is usually blue right well yes but it’s fascinating the the complex that you’re talking about complex four it’s its formal name is called cytochrome c oxidase and this is what makes it fascinating it absorbs red light but it emits blue light which makes the mitochondria purple and that’s why the cover is purple purple because because of mitochondria are purple bacteria now there’s only there’s only three quadrillion of these burgers in our body yeah i saw that number 40 quadrillion as the latest best guess and they need to be swimming in copper in order to do their job so let’s talk about the cover of the book because i bet there’s a few more easter eggs on the cover okay i never would have thought that the color purple was an easter egg but i should have suspected it knowing you as i do so where are some of the other easter eggs well you just look at look at the uh the top of the covers it’s got the mitochondria right there it’s it’s giving you the answer right there there you go yeah i thought that might be so that’s the mitochondria exactly and this should be so readily apparent to the average reader right oh yeah exactly anyone who picks it up goes right away oh wow this is that’s a mitochondria and then then of course the genius of the title you know see you yeah cure and you remember my email to you you know you think this is safe yeah i mean who knows we’ll find out if you get a uh exactly now the listeners need to know that you agreed you put it in writing that you were going to come visit me in jail right oh yeah for sure a cake right yeah with a file a nail file yeah scrape away [Laughter] so let me get to um oh well actually a question that i had and i imagine this had to have come up was i know that you guys published a new version of the rcp handbook what used to be called the rcp instruction manual now the rcp handbook curious i mean it’s great to have that information in the book but now it’s a static thing how did how did that discussion go where you said or should we just refer them to get the manual or should we just put it in the book well we hopefully we did it both ways there’s a reference in the book to go to the website and the website is is where the more dynamic version is and it was there was a lot of gnashing of teeth about should we have it in there and it just seemed like i think the the curious minds would want to know what’s the gist of this thing anyway as opposed to having the book and then oh i’ve got to now go to a website they can just very quickly look at it and there i don’t think there was really a good answer but we made it we just came up with a workable answer and just give people the chance at least understand what the handbook is and then go to the website for the most recent updates so you and i met larry larry triviary who you mentioned as a guest writer i like that so larry has built i mean a multi-decade career being a ghostwriter specifically right helping a number of doctors and other health professionals write their books so you know what often happens for those viewers who may not know is a doctor says hey i want to write a book or a publisher says hey we want to write a book about this go find a doctor that you can connect to this idea larry you do the research put the words together spell everything correctly and we’ll put the doctor’s name on this so you and i met larry several years ago what was the sort of conversation that finally got larry and you to say okay let’s actually turn this into a book that’s a really good question um i thought he called me and he thinks i called him it doesn’t it doesn’t really know no one knows yeah there was it was about five years that went by we hadn’t spoken to each other we we had an instantaneous connection not unlike our connection uh he and i hit it off and again what should have been like a five or ten minute conversation was probably a 90 minute you know kind of a vulcan mind meld and we had many conversations while we were trying to do that first book and then that didn’t happen then we just kind of went our separate ways and i think it was after i made the move to north carolina from from louisiana and some there was just something either i must have gotten an email or something that would have triggered me to call him or vice versa but anyway we just realized you know maybe it’s time and we started it was in the fall of 2019 when times were much simpler life was very different back then and we we just started to focus on this and it actually became a a point of of sanity during 2020 and first half of 2021 was to make sure that we got this book done and so i’m very grateful that he had the staying power and the ability you know at one point uh he said morally he said please don’t be offended but you’re a lousy writer do you know that [Laughter] and i said if you say so if you say so he said you know i i find your podcast just you’re brilliant when you start talking he said just it all kind of clicks and he said so i get i get uh transcriptions of your podcast and he said that and then what what i was really surprised to learn is that he just sits down at the computer and he just starts typing he’s like he hears a voice talking to him about what to say and like seriously he said that’s how i’ve written most of my books and it’s almost kind of mystical how this book came into being but it’s like by the grace of god and a lot of hard effort on both of our parts we’ve got it and it’s done and it’s you know it’s um going to work its way into the ethos i don’t think it’s going to be a bestseller i don’t think it’s going to win a pulitzer prize but i think it’s going to help legitimize a lot of people’s conversation with their doctors or their neighbors or their family members to say look why don’t you look at this and see if it makes sense to you and again it may or may not but but at least the point now is it exists in a form that gives it a different degree of credibility yeah and it’s it’s self-published it’s not like suddenly some big publishing house sought me out and said we want to you know formalize your it’s like that was never going to happen because i don’t have the right credentials do i i’m just uh yeah i’m a very persistent uh strong strong-willed um grounded with with good research and blessed with the ability to understand it but i don’t have the formal training like my son has you know gets a phd from stanford i don’t have that and it’s like i’d love to have that but then i wouldn’t have the objectivity that i have that’s that’s the that’s the razor’s edge is that i would lose the as doctor as dr ben said you would lose you didn’t get indoctrinated yeah he said you didn’t have to go through that hazing so then you could you could keep an open mind about what if and what are the possibilities and i asked very different questions than someone who might have gone through a more formal program i i i think you’re right and i think that as you’re talking about that it occurs to me that saying um i don’t know if it’s a famous singing but i can’t think of who uh who to attribute it to uh other than i do remember where i first heard it um roy h williams a marketing mentor of mine based out of austin texas the wizard uh yeah he the phrase that i’ve heard him say is if your life’s mission can be accomplished in your lifetime you’re not thinking big enough oh wow wow that’s beautiful and maybe what you’ve done because i think one of the things that many people probably don’t realize and it kind of goes back to the don’t think about what’s a new think think about don’t think about what’s new think about what’s enduring is you’ve really gone back to the 1910s the 1920s the 1930s to see some of these luminaries of that time whose research has all but been forgotten about almost and uncovered and used those as the dots to connect wait a second this is what makes energy and clears exhausts it’s these things these guys so in the way that you are essentially carrying on their legacy through your book perhaps it’s something past your lifetime past my lifetime that that’s when it you know finds it that’s where it find it finds its footing i i don’t know let me let me give the listeners an example of what you’re talking about because i think that’s that’s what in part inspired me was to find those pearls of wisdom and in 1924 you know so it just just got over the first world war we have this luminary scientist otto warburg one of the most decorated scientists of all time i think most people know of of uh they incorrectly think he discovered cancer but that’s okay but he was really obsessed with how his energy made and his focus was all about activating oxygen he knew that was very very important turning oxygen into water he knew that was really important at the same time there was another fellow german named einrich violent most people don’t know who einrich violin is he was equally as talented just not as well connected as as adam warburg but i’m but lyland was focused on activating hydrogen we’ve got to activate hydrogen in order to mix with the activated oxygen to make the water and then and so we’re talking about a classic hatfield mccoy’s debate back in the 1920s between these incredibly talented uh scientists well along comes this guy named albert sventgorgi and people probably know his friend gorgi because he gets the nobel prize in 37 for vitamin c it’s a it’s a long story about that but let’s just leave it at a simple level well in 1925 sven gorgi writes an article and says you’re both right and he demonstrates how the two theories came together to to allow complex four cytochrome c oxidase to work and it was because sven gorgi was able to bring those theories together warburg gets the nobel prize in 1931 wow because people realize oh my god he’s he was right and wylan didn’t get the credit that he deserved but it was to me and call me crazy and you have more than once but call me crazy that that i think it’s important to know that to know the historical context of how powerful that was for sven gorgi to say you guys you’re both right and and to understand the the shift that occurred in scientific thinking because of that and then sven gorgi is just absolutely a genius about metabolism but he gets the recognition around vitamin c which is almost laughable but but the point is the the historical context gives us a depth of understanding about how uncertain it was back in the 20s that we now take for granted and yet it was it was this momentous leap forward to realize how energy was really made and sven gorgi knew copper was in the thick of it and warburg knew copper was in the thick of it but what did warburg do he called the complex iron oxidase and that threw off scientists for about 90 years and it’s just why that to me that’s part of the beauty of the why who knows why but that’s part of the beauty of of understanding the twists and turns of of intellectual thought and now we have this book that says hey let’s let’s call a spade of spade the mitochondria are purple why are they purple because that complex actually is blue and and and it absorbs red light and that’s really cool and it’s like i think people should get excited about that and learn that that if they focus on energy production they don’t have to be as spooked about the enemies and that’s to me at this at this time of uh in this time and age that we live in we’ve got to move beyond the fear factor yeah and and get and get into the cure because it’s time to really bring humanity into a new level of understanding about how to get healthy and how to stay healthy and what and what i’m particularly grateful for is people don’t know all of the hours that we spent but that you spent making sure that that there was that there really was a business that emerged and that there really was a a kit that people people just know to go to jigsaw and get the kit get the yeah rcpt wouldn’t i wish we weren’t you know a thousand miles apart because i’d hug you right now no what what you did to make it accessible for people because at the end of the day i in some respects i was kind of like doc you know back to the future you know the wires were closed connected and you said well i think i know how to connect it and boom and so it’s like the i think it’s important for people to realize that it all i’ve done is facilitate a lot of great research yeah and and allow it to be made available but but you know you have done yeoman’s work to make sure that people get the best you know most of the people on the planet they don’t care about ireland and warburg you know that’s that doesn’t turn their juices they just want to feel better they just want to feel good right that’s all they want to do take the pain away and that’s great that’s right but but but i think there are a bunch of people out there that do like to know about the story behind the story i think um paul harvey was always my favorite newscaster because because then you could learn the story behind the story and that’s what that’s what always excited me was to really understand the um the depth of work that went into some event taking place that we just take for granted and so i’m blessed to have this opportunity to talk about a book that they got started on our watch that took years and years of effort and and now it’s it’s actually in physical form it’s an e-book form it’s going to be in a audio form in the spring and people are adamant that i’ve gotta narrate it i’m like are you serious you want really wanted this should be you oh it should be you you have you have a character voice and i think absolutely it should be you it’s for the insomniacs right hey having trouble sleeping just listen to this guy uh he reads about uh minerals and proteins and stuff purple bacteria he’ll put you to sleep faster today you know you don’t need drugs man you just listen to this guy come on that’s funny well uh we have one person chiming in christina carnevora who says yes morally you should do it uh and i see also that karen chimed in a while ago and said hi say hi karen good to see you yeah likewise so uh you said the word fear factor uh i don’t know a couple minutes ago and reminded me of joe rogan are you getting on joe rogan’s podcast yet what have we got to do to make that happen i would do anything to get on his podcast i swear to god i would i have gained such respect for him for what he’s done of late and what people need to understand is that i spell fear differently i put a hyphen after the e so we can see the symbol for iron f as soon as we go for iron everybody yep and as soon as we go into the state of fear was anyone scared about 18 months ago so the fear attracts iron it’s a it’s a scientific fact that when you release adrenaline and cortisol in response to fear you send your iron through the roof and guess where the copper goes in the toilet oh really yeah that’s a big problem but but not a lot of people talk about that and that’s why i renamed covid cov stands for coppers vanished and id stands for irons dominant because as soon as you go into fear you become what’s called hypoxic and hypoxia is not being at the top of mount everest although that is a form of epoxy there’s something called functional hypoxia and that’s when the mitochondria or these little purple bacteria can’t turn oxygen into water that’s called functional hypoxia and then we have fatigue oh maybe that’s why i titled it cure your fatigue because what blocks the what blocks the production of energy too much iron yeah oh so it’s just it’s i think part of the challenge is getting people to realize that it’s really that simple yeah and it’s that basic and it’s and it’s minerals being mismanaged and dysregulated that leads to all of this chaos whether we’re talking about anemia or cancer or metabolic syndrome or whatever it’s it’s all a continuum of hypoxia what shows are you going to be coming up on do you know what your uh podcast schedule looks like in the near term yeah um certainly during my my usual round with ben edwards that uh you’re the cure uh got a series of meetings with kitty martone uh with her uh stuff that her doctor should be a healthy gut girl for those the absolutely um i’ve got a series of conversations with the strong sisters a series of conversations with matt blackburn a lot of people know about matt um who else i’ve got um revolution health um extreme health radio i’ve got about 14 to 16 different shows and if you have any that you think i really need to get on bring it on i’m happy to have the conversation because i just the the goal here is i i know you you laugh when i say this i’m not trying to to buy islands in the south pacific i don’t think that’s going to happen i just want more people to know that that there really is a viable option that there is a very different approach to staying healthy or getting healthy than the conventional route and the more people that know that i think the better we all are so that that’s my goal it’s a wonderful goal i would love to see you get on joe rogan or ben greenfield or dr mercola i know we’ve tried to make that happen and made introductions and sometimes it’s sort of like look when the universe pushes back it’s like okay it’s just not it’s just not time not the right time absolutely i mean we need to knock down knock on those doors again you know i think um well now we’ve got something to show them there’s something to there’s something that’s got some tangible value and that may be of benefit to them what would you have to say well um are there any questions from the audience uh i let me look at some of my notes here well i i i asked you to stand with me for an hour we got about six minutes um there’s a couple little notes that i made in the book uh one that i love i love that you chose i love that in the book in the root cause protocol one of the things um for those that don’t know you know i did help morally to sort of shape the language as larry said he’s not the best writer he’s great at ideas but sometimes just summarizing it and making it simpler is you know well i think we all need help with that at times right absolutely yeah a phrase that i actually learned from you years ago is to a uh to a smart to it to a fool a river is a river to a educated man a river is you know water moving at this many particles per hour it contains this many forms of different sediment and this kinds of things to a wise man a river is a river did i did i nail that close enough that was my that was my my professor at business school who taught me that okay well one of the phrases that um i don’t know if you came up with it or i came up with it or where where it came from in the process but the root cause protocol is about direction not perfection or maybe it’s back vice versa it’s like it’s not about perfection it’s about direction and i think that those words are really encouraging one of the quotes that you put in here in the book was uh from confucius it does not matter how slowly you go as long as you do not stop and i think it it really is i think life is about that right um this is a great comment that actually just came in here from linda magnificent obsession so appreciate your dedication and really i guess that is true of you it doesn’t matter how fast you go as long as you don’t stop going so whether it’s joe rogan or any other of the number two and below podcasts just keep going yeah no i i you know it’s interesting you you caught me off guard with your comment of the roy williams comment about if you can complete your life’s work in a lifetime it’s not you haven’t thought big enough and what i do know is i am doing my life’s work and i’m really proud of that and i’m very blessed to have that opportunity but but as we also discussed my goal is to reach you know what is it 150 million people i’m just shy of that so i still have some more work to do and i remember the rocket ship exactly yeah is still going this direction got a little bit more to go but i but i remember um it’s it’s about getting the process started and i remember talking to a friend of mine who has psychic abilities and and everyone has curiosity about oh what’s the future right so i said i said is this is is the root cause protocol going to become a household word in my lifetime and she went into contemplation and she said not in your lifetime but in the lifetime of one of your students it will absolutely happen so i think maybe that gets to the roy williams concept that it may take a couple generations of students but at some point i know just be because of the sheer design of it and the sheer research behind it it’s at some level going to get traction on a much bigger scale and that’s great and then to know that that we got it started that’s great you know we we did our thing and at least at least there’s been momentum to bring it to this stage and i’m very very excited about that ashley my wife uh does a lot of different things at jigsaw health one of the things that she is great at is finding social media influencers to then you know become ambassadors of jigsaw health and she stumbled recently maybe within the last two months into what she calls a vein if you will you know a vein of influencers that are following you that are talking about root cause protocol and are especially leading with the adrenal cocktail so jigsaw health you know we started 16 years ago mag srt has been our champion it was maybe six or five or six years ago that we introduced adrenal cocktail into our product lineup because you know we saw that you were recommending it and people were having to go buy these different ingredients and mix it all together themselves and we thought we could do that so we’ve had the adrenal cocktail we launched it probably about five years ago i think that’s right and it’s usually in our top five now uh you know in terms of best sellers each month but what’s interesting is it’s sort of like she says there’s this group of sort of up-and-comers that are whether you want to call them health coaches or whatever kind of label you want to put on them but they’re sort of taking and shaping the root cause protocol plus there appears to be a big angle from ray pete who writes a lot about uh really i think he’s more diet related and food related whereas you’re more mineral focused but it could in fact be that it is one of those up-and-comers whether they were a part of the rcp institute or not um although likely those names are they they probably did attend your course any any part any thoughts on ray pete oh ray p was a very important figure in helping to create the root cause protocol yeah he has an article about um iron toxicity very i would encourage people to read it it’s very beautifully written and he ends towards the end of the article he said to my knowledge no one has ever developed a diet to increase cerulo plasma and i remember reading that sentence saying well i think that’s what i’m going to do the whole basis of the rcp is to increase the production and the bioavailability of ceruloplasma and and turn it over to our natural um metabolism to make sure that energy gets made and the exhaust gets cleared and it’s it’s so it really wasn’t the basis of that and i think great pizza genius it’s just i think it i think many of his ideas could be simplified he’s he’s a very gifted thinker he’s a he’s a true researcher i think he got his degree at berkeley if i remember correctly and it’s just a just a wealth of information and i just i tried to capitalize on that idea that just like i went wow that’s exactly what i want to do and it was inspired by that article well isn’t that interesting that the work that you’re doing the work that ray is doing the work that otto warburg did 90 years ago these things when you find them they are a breath of fresh air the work that you’re doing through the rcpt rcp institute is to be connect commended doctors like ben edwards who i know was in the rcp 101 video series with you that i think was maybe that was probably the thing that really launched and solidified rcp in my mind you sitting down with a doctor who was um skeptical and asking questions well why this stop and why that stop i think that that still stands the i mean that’s four years old and it definitely i think still stands the test of time but now we have absolutely the book and so obviously those who are on here if you don’t have the book already i purchased it on amazon i guess it’s available where all good books are sold as they say where where else can people buy the book you know you were you’re you’re breaking up patrick just a little bit ah darn it okay well um maybe i was breaking i’m not sure if i was breaking up for the audience or not but definitely want to encourage everybody in the audience to pick up a copy of cure your fatigue by morally robbins uh and then put your own sticky notes in it there you go absolutely so early thanks for your time absolutely absolutely i really appreciate the chance to have this conversation patrick and uh really wish you uh the best and i i i know that you and i came in with different objectives in life because you came in to feel good and have fun and i just so admire you for that because i had a different apparently a different uh mission but that’s okay we’ve come we’ve come together for the right reasons and i’m really very very grateful for the time we spent together and continued to do so absolutely it sounded like you were going to say a final thought do you know the difference between i want to give you the chance to work that one out well this is just me being critical of myself but do you know the difference between me and otto warburg what he only got nominated 47 times for a nobel prize i think [Laughter] well it’s not too late and uh yeah you know maybe right after you get on joe rogan’s show then no no bells are us right no bells are actually i could probably buy a nobel prize on amazon and give it to you let me check yeah could you well thank you everybody for joining us today absolutely great to be with you morley and uh congrats on the new book really happy big big undertaking to bring a book to life so congratulations to you to larry i know i’m sure mj and christine both had a big hand in it um so kudos to them as well for sticking by you and continuing to help the rcp rocket ship blast off into space have a great day appreciate you as well thanks so much …

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